76 thoughts on “Movie Stream Cast 52: Vic + Flo Saw a Bear (2014)

  1. Hahaha your Colombian Karate Girl anecdote had me cracking up. Did you ever tell her the truth?

      • Yeah, I mean, I never plan to show them another Jaden Smith film, so I see no reason to correct her misconception. In fact, I was enjoying it quite a bit. It made the moments of the film that I caught far more enjoyable than they’d have been otherwise. And with those delicate Jada Pinkett features, he was passing, for sure.

        • Lol but couldn’t that be a bit confusing in the long run? I mean now she’s going to think that men with long hair could possibly be girls. I have nipples. Could you milk me, Josh? 😉

          • Yeah, but it’s not JUST the hair, Juan, it is the specific hairstyle (due to being surrounded by so many Caribbean girls with it here) and the delicate little Jada-features.

            Actually, my son had shoulder-length hair and we just (somewhat) recently cut it because he was tired of strangers assuming he was a girl. One day he was in a full Spiderman costume and this lady at the store said, “Oh, Spider-Girl! How creative!”

          • I used to have long hair when I was a kid and people often thought I was a girl. It was especially bad in the mid 90’s when super short hair was the predominant style for most boys. And then in secondary school me my hippie friends were persecuted and penalised by the teachers because we wouldn’t cut our hair. Even though we were good kids a couple of teachers did everything in their power to scupper our permanent records because of it. When I think back to that I’m genuinely shocked.

            Don’t let your kids become victims of hair-nazis!

        • Actually, at this point, I’d say that The Day the Earth Stood Still remake is a far better film that the Kung Fu Girl remake. I might as well play this out and see if my daughter falls for it without the braids.

          • Juan, that’s actually a movie I’ve really wanted to check out. One of those that I was “going” to see a few times, but got sidetracked and never ended up seeing.

          • It’s one of those movies that got panned by the critics. I thought everyone was too harsh with their reviews thought. Keanu Reeves was perfect for that role. Let me know what you think once you “get to it”.

  2. This movie sounds kind of interesting to me. Something I always appreciate is when an otherwise quiet and understated film suddenly burst in intensity/darkness/violence. I think that resonates on a much more profound and realistic level than the constant over-the-top violence that we’ve become accustomed to.

    Also, as I listened to this episode I took the left over lamb kebab meat (gyros) from last night and put it in a freshly toasted pitta with some sliced onions, red cabbage, lettuce, freshly chopped coriander and mint and some home beer-pickled chillies. A little drizzle of garlic yoghurt and a dash of hot sauce later and I had a delicious lunch. Thanks for enabling my sandwich making again, Josh.

    • Wow, that sounds incredibly tasty. I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it on the show, but Colombian food is incredibly bland. Rice, beans, meat and no additional flavor. I finally found some salsa from Mexico at a farmers’ market and it has been my only solice.

      And, just to be clear about the violence. There are only two instances of it in the film. One is off-screen and the other is quite protracted. They are both pretty extreme for a drama film, I’m not talking Martyrs or anything, but as outlandish as they are, the impact is chilling precisely because of what you said, that it feels so unexpected and real.

      • The funny thing is that Colombians are too proud to admit that their food sucks. No offense to any Colombian listeners of course.

        • Here, it seems like they just don’t know. There aren’t very many immigrants here, so almost everything is Colombian food. Especially after leaving Cartagena for the middle if the country. It’s totally insular.

    • Having said that, there is one short-lived, but supremely creepy performance in this film and I wish I could have watched for 2 straight hours. So good and so unnerving. Most of the film is just still life. I liked it, but could have used a lot more of the crime element if I could choose my own adventure.

  3. Since it’s just us here, what are you guys thinking of these Top 5 lists in place of games on the solo-casts? Any interest? Are they too obscure? This week, for example, were you at all interested in Canadian film? Were you already familiar with the films and filmmakers or are you unfamiliar but still don’t care? I’ve already recorded next week’s, but I don’t have to keep doing them. I just like to have the extra segment for fun.

    • I think they’re a great stand-in for the guest episode games. I’ll be honest and say that such highbrow lists aren’t normally my total cup of tea but they’re interesting to hear and in a way I feel like I’m learning something when I listen and my interest in films that I might otherwise have been oblivious towards is peaked.

      In a way I think I’m a bit of list fetishist though so I don’t know how universal my opinion might be. Making lists is kind of fun and a great way to provoke critical thinking. I love the recent episodes of HMP when lists have been brought into the equation because it’s such a great way to inspire conversation. And the latest TSFP episode is great too.

      So long as you don’t start entitling lists “The best 5 indie movies you’ve NEVER heard of”. Boy that drives me nuts. I always seem to be coming across “10 horror movies you’ve never heard of” lists and I wouldn’t even mind the stupidly presumptuous nature of them if they actually delivered obscure picks but it’s normally stuff like “The Descent” and “Evil Dead”. Movies that any horror fan actively searching for obscure movies in the genre will obviously already be aware of. It grinds my gears to no end.

      • I’m pretty sure I said that about Guy Maddin, but it felt snobby even as I was saying it and I actually considered cutting that line out. I think it’s true that he is criminally unknown, though, so it got past the good taste censors.

        Follow-up question for both of you, since Dino agrees. Are the lists only “high brow” because I am using words like “indie” and “auteur”? Because, in reality, lesser-known Canadian directors and skateboarding movies aren’t exactly the stuff of high society.

        I’m glad I can talk so frankly with you guys in this forum since so few of the MSC listeners are inspired to comment. It is good for me to check myself before I wreck myself. It’s hard to be an obsessive cinephile and not to fully cross over into film snobbery.

        • To be honest I think the lists are probably only “high brow” in my skewed perspective, because the normal kind of lists I’m want to seek out are things like:
          “Top 10 Grossest Movie Mutants”
          “Best Decapitations”
          “Sleaziest Depictions of 80’s New York”
          “Worst Looking Food in Movies”
          “Most Ridiculously Violent 90’s Anime”

          etc.

          So comparatively, I guess even a list of the most cliché characters in Roland Emmerich movies might seem high brow!

        • Good point, Josh. I think I’m substituting “highbrow” for “obscure,” which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. For me, the drawback is not being able to actively participate with the list, but that’s countered by the fact that you’re helping to broaden my cinephilia.

          And your follow-up question gets a +1 for using the phrase “check myself before I wreck myself.”

          • I know David watched a skateboarding doc (or two?), so I’ll consider that a success.

            I’d love to get someone really adventurous to try out The Saddest Music in the World or My Winnipeg. Only the brave need apply.

            Any Sarah Polley or Bruce MacDonald fans out there? All three Polley films were emotionally devastating to me in their own way and all of them are very accessible, particularly Take This Waltz.

            Remind me what everyone here thought of Pontypool … I thought it was a very interesting/exciting version of zombism. Just enough old, new, borrowed and thankfully NOT blue (like Romero’s Dawn of the Dead).

            Wooo. I’m stealing that line from myself for an upcoming HMP. It’s cheesy, but Jay will love it. Count on it.

          • I haven’t actually seen PONTYPOOL, but I just added it to my queue (currently streaming on Netflix). I’ll let you know what I think once I see it.

          • I really liked Pontypool. I thought it had tons of atmosphere to spare. I like to revisit it once in a while during a cold winter just to get in the perfect mood.

    • “I think they’re a great stand-in for the guest episode games. I’ll be honest and say that such highbrow lists aren’t normally my total cup of tea but they’re interesting to hear and in a way I feel like I’m learning something when I listen and my interest in films that I might otherwise have been oblivious towards is peaked.”

      I feel the same as David on this.

      • I’m not gonna lie, I miss the games but your lists are fun too. Why can’t we double the fun and have both? Supersize it, Josh!

        As far as your lists being high brow, I think that’s more of a case to case basis with me. It really depends on the premise and presentation. But so far, I don’t think you have ever recommended anything that I just couldn’t watch. I have a very high tolerance for pretty much anything, low or high brow, though I have to say that when it comes to low production values, I’m a little more picky. Bad acting and bad sound are things that if not done well, I have no patience for. Remember all the redbox horror titles Jay used to mini-review? That’s the kind of stuff I hate with a wildling passion. Don’t get me wrong, I love cheesy so-bad-it’s-good stuff, but that’s about as low as I will allow my tastes to get. Anything lower than that I consider a waste of my time. Anyway, what was the question again? :/

        • “Wildling passion”

          Nice. It’s starting to permeate your daily vernacular. That’s good. That’s next level.

          • Juan is correct. It seems like a soft-core Lord of the Rings. My fantasy-fond friends who watch it actually refer to the show as “Tits & Midgets” in daily conversation. Just doesn’t seem like my cup of tea. I can appreciate a swords and sandals epic, but I’m not actually that interested in them.

          • “Soft-core Lord of the Rings” is just about the biggest underselling of the show I can imagine! It’s an incredibly well written and intelligent piece of television, easily up there with stuff like “The Wire” and “True Detective”. It’s a rich, real-history-inspired, character-driven fantasy tapestry. I’m not normally a big fan of that kind of Wizards and Dragons stuff either, but GOT does away with all the associated predictability and whimsy and is instead rife with Shakespearean pathos, amazing character development, top tier acting and dialogue and gritty Medieval violence taken straight from the pages of actual history. It’s one part war-epic, one part political thriller, one part brilliant character piece and then one part dark, bloody, sometimes sexually charged fantasy.

            Plus it has zombies in it.

          • That makes me sad, Josh. Real sad. For you…

            What David said, 100%. I’ll add that hearing GoT reduced to “Tits & Midgets,” even in passing, is an absolute travesty. In fact, reducing it to a swords and sandals epic is a disservice, too. That may be the overall environment in which the story takes place, but it’s so far reaching, complex, and well-done that it transcends that of a mere swords and sandals epic.

            GoT is simply one of the greatest run and produced shows ever. From the amazing story and scope, to set design, performances, and overall visual language, there’s nothing out there today that rivals it. Their 24 Emmy nominations are evidence of this, but I think the most telling number is 4 – that’s how many nominations the show received in the category of cinematography alone. That’s four separate episodes from this last season (10 episodes total in a season) that were deemed to be among the seven best shot TV episodes of the year. More than half of that category’s nominees, and just from a single season! As an aspiring auteur, you’re doing yourself a disservice by not even giving the show a try.

            Stop hating yourself, Josh… try a few episodes and see what you think.

          • Serious question … is it easy for you guys to sit down and watch something–even just a movie, not only multi-series epics–if you actively dislike the world it takes place in? For me, it’s not easy. It’s barely even possible.

            I select movies based on my mood and have a hard time forcing myself to watch things I’m not interested in. That’s one reason I didn’t enjoy being on MPW. I didn’t like going to the theater every week and having to watch whatever the new release was. That’s why I rarely get to the comic book movies in theaters. I DO like them and I usually get around to being in the mood for them, but I can’t just become interested on-command.

            Well, fantasy for me is about the most difficult genre for me to get into. It’s not to say that I’m never in the mood for it, but I’m talking once every few years or so. The last one I can think of that I liked (or maybe even watched) was Pan’s Labyrinth back in 2006-2007 (almost a decade ago). I watched the LotR movies in theaters and revisited all of them on DVD when the extended cuts came out, but have never revisited any of them since (in, what, 12 years?) or watched any of the Hobbit movies. I enjoyed a couple of the Harry Potter movies, but never finished watching the series.

            Okay, T&M is not Harry Potter. I understand that this may be more Shakespeare than wizards and dragons, but there ARE wizards and dragons, correct? That simply shall not pass with me.

            Also, I don’t care for the misogynist nature of what I’ve seen. All the women must be nude and treated like property or dogs and raped and all of this stuff. It just doesn’t appeal to me.

            Now, before you jump down my throat, I’m aware that I haven’t seen the show and that I’m not seeing these clips in context (maybe not even getting the details right), but I just have very little interest in it.

            Plus, I already know that the big deal with the show is that everyone dies. I’ve been spoiled on the Red Wedding and all of that.

            I’m not hating. I will keep an open mind and if I’m ever in a fantasy mood, I will check it out. I didn’t come up with the moniker “Tits & Midgets” and the guys who did come up with it happen to love the show, Jon Snow. I’m just not currently interested in what I’ve seen and heard so far. I don’t mean the acclaim. Everybody loves it has great things to say ABOUT it. But, when I actually see a scene or hear it discussed, it doesn’t do it for me.

            Sorry. :)

          • Serious answer.

            I get what you’re saying there, Yoshi. I really do. When it comes to show, I’m also very mood-dependent. The only difference is that there is no genre that I’m aware of that I actively dislike. I like everything. And it’s not that I’m not selective. On the contrary, I’m a very selective individual, but I’m also a very open minded one. I will literally watch anything that is recommended to me even if it doesn’t look that interesting at a glance. With that in mind, half of me understands where you’re coming from while the other half thinks you’re crazy.

            I think you’re oversimplifying the show in your mind a little, at least with the way you’re describing it. Think of it as a massive and epic game of chess where the pieces are people. Yes there are many deaths, but part of the fun is that you never know who is going to get it. It’s probably the least predictable show I’ve ever seen. Characters are constantly evolving (when they’re not dying of course) and they all do it in a seamless and very organic way. It never feels forced and it never feels out of place. Yes there are dragons and wizards (witches, really), but they are only a tiny fraction of the show. That’s why GOT really struck a chord with me. Unlike Harry Potter and other full-on “chanclas and chichis” offerings, this show takes its time to build its world and its mythology. It doesn’t plunge you into a fantastical world right away. Instead, it slowly introduces elements of magic—many times not even showing them, but alluding to them—and ramps them up little by little to what I think will ultimately be quite the spectacle*. As far as the misogynist nature of the show, it’s just part of the world. It really helps illustrate the level of savagery and brutality present. I think it even makes you care more about the characters because of how bad they have it. I mean, that stuff is really the least fantastical aspect of the show. Women being raped and treated like dogs and or property was very real, bro. In some parts of the world, it still is.

            *This is only personal assumption as I am not fully caught up. There are five seasons out and I’ve only watched three.

          • Actually, I may have just got myself in the mood.

            Juan said: “Think of it as a massive and epic game of chess where the pieces are people. Yes there are many deaths, but part of the fun is that you never know who is going to get it. It’s probably the least predictable show I’ve ever seen. Characters are constantly evolving (when they’re not dying of course) and they all do it in a seamless and very organic way.”

            Sounds exactly like Survivor and you may have sold me with that line, Juan.

            I have a deal with Matt and Liz that they will watch Survivor if I watch Buffy and Firefly.

            David then said that he would watch a season of Survivor if I would watch a season of Peep Show and Juan said he would watch a season of Survivor if I watch Daredevil.

            Can we just all shake on it like men right now and if I watch the first two seasons of Game of Thrones, the first season of Daredevil and the first season of Peep Show, Juan, David and Dino will each watch 2 seasons of Survivor.

            William is also watching Survivor for the first time ever (because I’m convinced he can win and I’ve been trying to train him) and has already watch 2-3 seasons since I’ve been in Colombia.

            This will all make my 30 season ranking with Cody Clark a lot more fun for everybody. I can recommend seasons, for sure. In fact, it’s essential.

            Guys? Are we men here?

          • You drive a tough bargain, Josh. I’m in as long as you promise to be optimistic when watching Game of Thrones, Firefly, and Buffy. I have a lot of love for my Buffy, so please be kind to her and poor Sarah Michelle Gellar who has done nothing to deserve your furious anger.

            Another serious question. Are you going to recommend Juavino the same two seasons or will you take the fun to the new level and give us seasons that match our personalities (or what you perceived them to be like)?

            <3

          • Hey, like Gloria Estefan said, “it cuts both ways.” Of course I will try to watch with an open mind. It will be much more enjoyable for me. But, you have to watch Survivor with an open mind too. I think this must be done, guys. “Haven’t we already broken every rule?

            Juan asked: “Are you going to recommend Juavino the same two seasons or will you take the fun to the new level and give us seasons that match our personalities (or what you perceived them to be like)?”

            I’m torn on this question. I was thinking I’d recommend the same seasons for the sake of conversation, but I also want you to enjoy it as much as possible and individual recommendations may be the best bet there.

            Back on the Survivor episode, when David agreed to watch a season, he said: “I’d like you to recommend me a specific season you think I might enjoy. The thing that has put me off the show in the past is simply the fact that I generally dislike manipulative, obnoxious people who are only out for number one. I guess a part of that is intrinsic to the nature of the concept but I’d like a season where at least a few of the contestants have likable personalities rather than them all being muscle-bound/bikini clad narcissists. On the flip-side though; the more Lord of the Flies-esque the better.”

            Just reading that gets me excited to come up with some good picks. I have a few follow-up questions to nail my recommendations, but I want to make sure David and Dino are in, first.

          • Josh, I definitely know what you’re talking about with regard to finding it difficult to invest time in a show or movie if you’re not in the right mood. I’m exactly the same and similarly I have yet to watch the majority of comic book movies, The Hobbit films etc. I think I’m generally pretty good at predicting if a film or show is something I’m going to enjoy or not and unless I hear a great deal of opinions that suggest the contrary then I’m unlikely to waste my time.

            I will say though that I think your preconceptions regarding GOT may be a little skewed. Yes there’re dragons, but very, very few. In fact, throughout the first season they’re basically an extinct spectre of the past. The world of the show doesn’t really feel like a fantasy as you’re watching it and the more fantastical elements tend to be mostly subdued and very organic. Either way, as beautifully realised as the world is, it’s a show you watch for the characters more than anything.

            As for the claims of misogyny, I understand that being an issue as the nudity can seem excessive and the show does deal with themes such as rape, incest and prostitution but as I mentioned above, it’s very much rooted in actual medieval history and I feel like these elements are absolutely in keeping with the horrid truth of that time period. Some of the characters definitely behave in an utterly reprehensible and misogynistic way, but by god do we hate those characters with all our hearts! Also, it’s a somewhat flimsy defence, but I think it’s worth pointing out that the show has a fair share of male nudity too. It also has some of the strongest, best written and most compelling female characters in any show or movie I’ve ever seen. The youngest Stark daughter is just about the most determined, spirited, self sufficient character in the show. Then there’s Daenerys arc which takes her from being a timid girl objectified by her exploitative brother to an incredibly powerful leader intent on destroying an immense and brutal culture of slavery. We even have an unerringly noble and loyal female knight in Gwendoline Christie’s character.

            Anyway, I’m not going to try any further to convince you to watch the show if you don’t want to, as much as I’d love to hear your take on it someday. I do understand that sometimes you just have to prioritise your free time for the stuff you know absolutely that you’ll enjoy but as someone who also struggles with the fantasy genre (aside from the dorky 80’s stuff and old Harryhausen movies) I still thoroughly recommend Game of Thrones to anyone who likes good things!

            Either way, we still love you, Josh.

          • Juan’s response was solid. Listen to Juan.

            Specifically, the thing he said that I think is most important is that characters in GoT are constantly evolving… sometimes on extremely opposite ends of the spectrum, but always in an organic way. The show is such a great character study, which is another aspect of it I think you would really appreciate.

            Plus, it’s sort of ridiculous to draw conclusions on a series with 50 hours of content on random clips you’ve seen or anecdotes you’ve heard out of context. You know this.

            Josh, because I consider you a friend, I’m willing to take on that challenge. This is for you, though, because we’re definitely getting the shit end of the deal on this one. And, for the record, I used to be a SURVIVOR watcher (Borneo to Fiji), so I am speaking from a point of experience on this one.

            I will say that season 2 of GoT is my least favorite, so having you watch seasons 1 and 2 leaves a somewhat bad taste in my mouth. That said, I know many people who say season 2 is their favorite of the series so far. That’s yet another incredible thing about GoT – after 5 seasons, there’s really no consensus on which are the best seasons. That’s because it’s Ah. Maze. Ing. 😉

          • David’s response was solid, too. He just happened to post it at essentially the same time I was writing mine, so couldn’t work it into my comment. Interestingly enough, David also mentioned the strong characters as a strength of the show, so there you go.

            Also, to David’s last point, the choice of what to do with your spare time is obviously up to you. I try to introduce GoT into the lives of my friends because I truly believe it’s an experience they’ll enjoy, but I won’t fault you for choosing not to watch GoT.

            I might judge you a little, though….

          • I was drinking a beer and making some popcorn while writing that last comment so I missed some of the more recent ones. With regards to the Survivor deal; I’m in. Absolutely. And I promise to go in with an open mind and give the show my full attention. Recommend away, Josh.

            Also, Juan’s defence of GOt was way better than mine. The chess analogy is brilliant! And yeah, it’s not just a show where a character gets killed every episode for the sake of shock value. It’s just that, as in real conflict, the virtuous don’t always win the day and the evil don’t always get the punishment they deserve. I think people who throw criticisms at it regarding the death-toll are just too anaesthetised by shows where from the very first episode you can pick a guy and say “Well I know he’s going to survive to the end” but where’s the fun in that?

          • Whaaat?!! You were a Survivor watcher, Dino?!! How has this never come up before?

            Admittedly, I came to the show WAY late–because the show looked so lame to me as an outsider–and I didn’t have to slog through some of the really crappy seasons, week after week. I was just streaming them on Amazon. I also watched them out of order (since they rarely build on each other) and saw all of the supposed best seasons first and really became a hardcore fan before having to sit through some of the slower early seasons that may have weened me from the show. When you’ve already attached the brilliance of a Heroes vs Villains or Blood vs Water to Survivor, something as terrible as Vanuatu or Thailand doesn’t really phase you because you already know the heights the show can get to. I know Panama and Fiji were hard on people when they were airing, but they are totally fine over two days on a season binge. I will say that I am surprised you could give up on the show after seasons like All-Stars and Palau–two of the best seasons ever, in my opinion. And I thought Cook Islands was really interesting too. I had William watch only Pearl Islands, All-Stars and Palau as his “old school” Survivor primer and he liked all three. But, there are equal measures good and crap of the seasons you’ve seen while the last 6 or 7 seasons that have aired are among the very best ever.

            So, Dino. Tell me what you liked of the seasons you saw and what you didn’t like. I’d love to make a believer out of you.

            David and Juan (and Dino if you want) …

            1. Do you think you’d be more interested in seasons that focus on entertaining characters or seasons that focus on tough strategic gameplay? For me, it is all about gameplay and the crazier characters often distract. Sometimes they can be a bonus if they also know how to play the game, but I’m in it for the human chess.

            2. David, the show is not really about the bikinis and muscles at all. Often the “hot chick” characters are the biggest casting duds and don’t really get much air time from the show. Especially at this stage of the game where it is focused on strategy so much more than when Dino was watching. But, David, your comment makes me think you won’t care much about the physical competition aspect of the show where the muscle-bound tend to excel. Is that true? Are you anti-athlete?

            3. Cody Clark also quite enjoys seasons that focus on the survival aspect and though I think that’s not ultimately what matters to me, it does go along way to establish the “reality” of the show and the hardships they are dealing with. Do you think you’d be more interested in seasons where they struggle to find food, water, are covered with bug bites, are in danger of wild animals etc?

            4. Lastly, do you think you’d respond to funnier goofier characters that are more in the Gilligan’s Island mode or really intense characters that are out for Lord of the Flies blood? I’ve got David’s answer on this one.

            • 1. Equal parts entertaining characters and strategic gameplay. If I can’t have both, then strategic gameplay.
              2. I’m pro-athlete. I’m amazed at what the human body can accomplish. It’s not always about the muscles, but about the mind overcoming our physical limitations.
              3. I’d definitely be interested in the survival aspect of the show.
              4. Lord of the Flies all the way!

            • So, my SURVIVOR journey began back in my college days. My friends and I started watching the show on day 1 basically as an excuse for us to all get together and hang out. We drank and ate, and Survivor was the perfect thing to have on in the background – it was interesting enough for us to talk about, but didn’t necessarily require our undivided attention.

              My wife and I continued to watch it after college (we met in college). For the first few years after graduating when we were long-distance, it was something we could watch together while on the phone. Then, when we moved in together, we would DVR it and put it on once we went to bed. So, Survivor was a show that was very much in our lives, but was always something more in the background that facilitated other things.

              Enter May of 2007. That month was a big time in my life. My wife and I got married, I finished up my Masters degree, my wife was about to begin work on her PhD, and we moved from Manhattan out to the beach in Queens. Fiji ended toward the beginning of May. Shortly after that season ended, my wife and I went out to Cleveland – where she grew up – for our wedding extravaganza, which lasted two weeks. After the wedding, we went on our own Survivor-esque honeymoon to South Africa and Zambia. And, when we got back, life was very different…

              I started working for the Rangers full-time that summer… and when I say full-time, I mean FULL-TIME. Believe me when I say that working for a professional sports team essentially means you’re giving up all free time. Also, my wife was full-speed ahead on her PhD, which was a full-time job in itself. In short, most of our free time was gone, and we were always so exhausted at the end of the day that we would pass out once our heads hit the pillow. Plus, living on the beach, most of our free time was spent there.

              Oh, and Fiji was a pretty rough season from what I remember, so there was little incentive to fit Survivor into our life.

              Anyway, that’s a (protracted) look into my Survivor journey.

              As for your questions, my favorite seasons were Borneo, Australia, Pearl Island, and All Stars. If I had to pick one, it would probably be Australia. My least favorites were Africa and Thailand.

              1. I’d like to say I’m more interested in the strategy, but looking back at the seasons I liked best I’d say it’s more the characters that make the show for me. Maybe the strategy element wasn’t quite in the fore back then?

              2. I’m not anti-athlete, but the relational aspects of the show are much more interesting.

              3. The survival aspect of the show is key for me. HUGE, actually. It is called Survivor, after all. I know that name can be interpreted as a play on “surviving the game,” but come on!

              4. Goofy characters are annoying.

          • Ooooh, now we’re talking. Okay, Juan. I’m pulling out the sorting hat for you! That’s a little fantasy reference for you hardcore Game of Thrones fans … juuuust kidding.

          • 1. My answer is exactly the same as Juan’s.

            2. I don’t know if I’m anti-athlete (If I am does that make me some kind of politically incorrect bigot!?) but I’ve never been very interested in sports and particularly physical challenges. The more strategic side of things definitely appeals to me more.

            3. I certainly like the sound of the more realistic survival elements. Foraging for food, contending with nature, etc. sounds pretty appealing to me.

            4. Yep, Lord of the Flies all the way. One of my top ten favourite books!

          • Just to be clear, they are actually surviving in every season, but sometimes they have more help than other times from production, sometimes the location has more natural resources by way of plant life and sealife, etc. For instance, sometimes the have fruit trees near the beach and a plethora of coconuts … other times they are in more barren landscape and they are eating ants for protein. The reason I ask is that modern seasons tend to throw the survival-based storylines out the window in favor of spending more airtime on character drama or game strategy. But, the struggle is real. They just don’t always show the struggle.

          • Well ultimately I trust you to pick some good seasons, Josh. Just go with your gut. I’ve trusted your recommendations ever since that faithful day when you suggested that Juan and I should watch “The Room”.

          • Haha your humor is not lost on me, Josh. Ok, maybe when it comes to Jay. For the longest time I could’ve sworn you hated Jay haha. But I know better now. I feel your pain, Josh. Just kidding, Jay! 😉

        • Dino!

          I loved your Survivor story. I envy the chance to watch with someone close to me as you and your wife did.

          Incidentally, I just some American Ivy League college kids on a boat ride out to a tropical island that were all big Survivor fans. I envy their Survivor relationships. Other than Cody Clark, I don’t really know anybody that watches the show as passionately as myself.

          What did you and your wife study, out of curiosity? Just wondering what Masters degree leads to working with a professional sports team.

          I’ve been thinking long and hard about what Seasons may appeal most to you as someone who has been away from the show for awhile.

          It’s very difficult to find the perfect season because so many start great, but end weak or start weak and end great. It’s difficult to find that perfect recommendation.

          For someone like yourself, I’m having trouble narrowing it down to less than 6 must-watch seasons. I think the top of the list would have to be:

          Season 20, Survivor: Heroes vs Villains because if you like All-Stars, this is that on steroids. I think this is one of the best seasons of all-time, but it is difficult to recommend to first time watchers because much of the season relies on the personas that these characters developed on their original times out.

          Season 25, Survivor: Philippines where they bring back three people who were medically evacuated from the game, split up them up, and throw them on tribes with all new players. You won’t recognize two of them because they were evacuated after you quit watching, but you will definitely remember Mike Skupin, who fell in the fire on Survivor: The Australian Outback. Actually, you might remember Jonathan Penner, who was evac’d from “Fans vs Favorites” but was also one of my favorite players from Cook Islands. There is also a professional baseball player on this season. This season starts off really slow because one tribe just gets dominated out of the gate (the first ep kinda sucks), but the post-swap is among my favorite and this is just a bare bones, really solid, fun game. And the living conditions are brutal.

          I’d also say that you should just go ahead and watch Season 19, Survivor: Samoa and Season 22, Survivor: Redemption Island.

          You really should talk to your wife about starting up with the show again. There are a lot of Seasons you could probably skip between Fiji and World’s Apart, but most of these I’m recommending here are better than most of the seasons you’ve seen. There are so many quality recent seasons, it really is hard to pick for someone like you.

          Other recent seasons you should really check out are:

          -Season 27. Survivor: “Blood vs Water” is a totally new, totally fresh spin on the show. A tribe of returning players against a tribe of their loved ones. Includes a few old school players you’ll recognize from Borneo, Australia, Pearl Islands and Cook Islands. This is an absolute must watch just for the way it turned the game completely on its head.

          -Season 28, Survivor: Cagayan, “Brains vs Brawn vs Beauty” has a great mix of crazy characters and crazy strategic game play. These are all first-timers and there are a couple of players here like Kass, J’Tia and Tony that are like nothing I’ve ever seen on Survivor. They will borderline “wacky” at first, but if you stick it out, you’ll be surprised. There is also a professional basketball player on this season.

          -Season 30, Survivor: Worlds Apart, “White Collar vs Blue Collar vs No Collar” is another one I might recommend for you. Again, great characters, but the gameplay is a little more old school and physical than the rest of these that I’ve mentioned.

          These are not my final answers. I’m going to drop recommendations on everyone Monday August 24th when I’m safely home and posting the next episode of MSC.

          Most of these are streaming for free in the US on Amazon Prime. Most are available for a subscription on Hulu Plus as well. CBS also has an all-access pass where you pay $15 and have access to their entire archive of television.

          • Josh – I’m “lucky” in that my wife and I pretty much watch everything together, even the stuff that we don’t both want to watch. For example, I’m going through the Scream TV series now, and she’ll watch it with me even though she’s not all that interested (and then she’ll make fun of me for watching it afterwards). Likewise, I’ll end up watching shows like So You Think You Can Dance or Who Do You Think You Are because those are her jams.

            We don’t have to watch everything together, but I guess we just like being around each other. That’s a marriage pro tip, btw: marry someone who you like being around. Sounds like you have that, too.

            Looking forward to your “final” Survivor recommendations. I’m game for the challenge.

            p.s. I have a Masters in sports business from NYU, so it was a pretty direct line to working for a pro sports team. My wife has her PhD in psychology and is now in private practice; not related in any way, but it can be terrifying to have deep conversations about the human psyche with her (and it’s pretty much ensured that I’ll never win an argument with her… ever).

  4. Also, I watched “Baghead” and enjoyed it. The production values weren’t actually as low as I was expecting and it kind of had an 80’s vibe to me for some weird reason. I think it was the characters, they weren’t the one dimensional, obnoxious frat-boys that I’m used to in modern films with similar premises. Of course it didn’t end up being absolute horror but I thought it did well generating an air of mystery and suspense and in the end it was a fun and heart-warming effort.

    • So glad you liked it. It is pretty rough around the edges, so if you enjoyed that one, you’re in like Flynn.

      Please try Humpday and The Puffy Chair if you find yourself in a dramedy mood.

      • If you like either of those, I think you’ll really enjoy the slightly slicker films like Your Sister’s Sister, Touchy Feely and Cyrus.

  5. Josh, I watched PRESERVATION last night in preparation for the next episode. I thought it was decent, and it actually hits on a few of J’s 13 Principles. Looking forward to the discussion.

  6. Is it too late to talk about VIC + FLO SAW A BEAR? I gave it a watch on Netflix tonight since I had watched THE INTERVIEW the previous day in anticipation of the next episode’s discussion.

    To be completely honest, this isn’t the type of movie I would normally watch. This movie being the second to most recent movie that you looked at on this podcast is the sole reason why I saw it. Otherwise, I wouldn’t have given it a second glance while looking around Netflix for something to watch.

    Since this isn’t the type of movie I’d watch, I imagine I failed to pick up on a lot of things and am left a little confused at some aspects of the movie. For me and my vast knowledge for this sort of movie (AKA absolute none), the movie is all about confinement. Not just physically, but also emotionally and internally. Of course, there’s the confinement of Vic and Flo’s past prison terms and the final act. Those are both physical and anyone can recognize the confinement aspect of those situations. Then there’s the confinement of the Uncle Émile character. That’s maybe the worst type of confinement someone can go through since you’re basically stuck in this vessel where you can’t do anything other than use your mind. It’s a cruel fate for someone near the end of their life. You touched on this in your review, but Flo is confined partially because of her past with Vic and aspiring for something different in her life, whether it’s leaving the shack or just shacking up with men. Her other confinement is the danger that awaits her if she goes out of hiding, so she’s stuck there at the shack in the woods since it’s the place she’s most likely to stay out of trouble. Starting in the middle of the film, Flo has another form of confinement as she just can’t escape the person from her past. She’s stuck with this person and is at the mercy of whatever the person wants to do. Since the pace is so slow, I felt like I was confined as well. I was stuck in this world where everything was moving so slowly when all I wanted was for something to happen. This is where the slow pace of the film isn’t actually a negative as it allows the viewer to relate to the characters. You’re all enduring some hardships when you’d much rather just be free. Ironically, Vic is the one person in the movie who is mostly free. Even though she legally can’t just get up and leave or avoid Guillaume, I didn’t sense that she necessarily wanted to. She admittedly doesn’t like people, so the shack allows her to be around as few people as power. The vast openess of the woods allows her the physical freedom that a prison cell didn’t provide her. She’s with the one person in the world that she cares about most and wants to actually be with. Especially when you consider the fact that Vic was supposed to be in prison for a life sentence, getting out and having all of these positives is ultimate freedom for her.

    At times, it can be a depressing movie, but due to all of the forms of confinement, that’s what it should be. In the end, Vic got exactly what she wanted, so even with all of these horrible things happening, this is a tell of happiness for her.

    One minor question:

    – Do we know why Charlot’s father hates Vic? I can’t recall any poor experiences she had with either Charlot or his father to justify the hatred. Does he hate her because she’s a lesbian? Blames her for not being there for her uncle due to her prison term? Oddly upset that she took Charlot’s relationship with Vic’s uncle away?

    Since it wasn’t the type of movie I’d normally watch, I don’t know what I’d rate it. I enjoyed it, I know that. There were various points where I had to fight to stay awake. The character of Jackie helped regain my focus on the movie though.

    I watched WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE on Netflix back in June. I liked most of the main actors, so I was willing to give it a try despite how silly of a movie it appeared to be. For a mindless popcorn flick, it was fun. It reminded me a good deal of SEVERANCE in both the basic plot and the light tone. I’d rate it at about a 7/10. Don’t go out of your way to see it, but if you have Netflix and you’re bored, it’s a way to kill ninety minutes.

    Have you seen the Canadian film, BEYOND THE BLACK RAINBOW from 2010? I caught it last year and it was a total mindtrip. Like VIC + FLO, it’s a slow pace film without much happening, but it’s sorta hypnotizing. It’s on Netflix and free for Amazon Prime members.

    • Sal, thanks for the comment. It’s never too late to talk about a film on here … although, sometimes the comments on older posts slip by me. I really appreciate this comment, not only because you’re the only listener that I’ve heard from who has seen the film, but also because it is a really insightful idea you’re floating here.

      I loved your insight that the film is about confinement, particularly with the way you related that to the pacing of the film, which is a really fascinating idea and one that wouldn’t have occurred to me as someone who watches these types of films more regularly. I really like the thought and you put it very well. I think you’re absolutely right.

      Kudos to you for trying something so far outside your comfort zone and being able to appreciate it even though you struggled with the presentation. I really admire that.

      I have not seen Beyond the Black Rainbow, but I’ll check it out since it is free for Netflix and Amazon Prime subscribers.

      Have you seen Lars Von Trier’s films? He is the closest filmmaker I can compare this too and his work is pretty experimental and really disturbing. I can’t freely recommend all of his work, but if you enjoyed this I’d highly recommend a film he wrote called Dear Wendy (2004) and one he directed called Dogville (2003). If you think you can handle a musical with Bjork, I’d also highly recommend his film Dancer in the Dark, which is just devastating.

      And sorry about the release schedule being a bit off. My time in Colombia has kind of jacked it all up. I will be solo-casting The Guest next, probably Here Comes the Devil the week after that, and then back to normal with The Interview once I’m back in the US.

      • As far as commenting in old reviews, the only other one I’ve commented in was AN HONEST LIAR. Going back too far seemed like a greater chance of the comment not being noticed. I’m still waiting to see if anyone spots that I commented on HMP #1. Ha

        Thanks partially due to the length of this show and because we had a lovely power outage a couple of days ago that lasted most of the morning, I was able to fully catch up and listen to every MSC podcast, minus the Survivor ones, starting with episode #27 when you officially took over. Hooray for previously downloading the episodes and having enough battery life in my laptop to have the time to add them to my phone. I liked the ones with Rachel, she offers a bit of a different opinion then the other hosts I’ve heard on this show and HMP. You’re even a different sort of host with her since you’re naturally not going to give her as hard as a time as you would with Jay of the Dead and it seems like you’re more upbeat for those episodes rather than when you put on your serious podcaster voice for the non-Rachel ones. As far as the games go, my favorite was the 3 movie quotes one. It’s especially fun since the listeners can play along as well. My least favorite was the build-a-title game. It’s a case of the game being more fun if you’re playing rather than just listening to two guys play it. I did like Rachel’s “What did I watch at the gym?” guessing game. I am a bit jealous because whenever I’m trying to help a family member remember the name of a movie, I get such amazing clues as “It’s with that one guy…” and the inability to even guess what decade the movie was fun. Although a fairly easy game, it’s interactive with the listeners just like the movie quotes one.

        Out of all of the movies you’ve reviewed that I haven’t seen, the one that grabbed my interest the most was THE DO-DECA PENTATHLON is one I really want to see. I’ve become a big fan of the Duplass Brothers that I’m willing to forgive Mark for THE LAZARUS EFFECT. For a movie that IMDb describes as being comedy, drama, romance, THE ONE I LOVE was so much more interesting than I would have imagined a film with those three genres attached to it would have been. Even his TV show, TOGETHERNESS, has been fairly enjoyable for the episodes that I’ve seen.

        I haven’t seen ALL THIS MAYHEM yet, but after listening to the podcast, I immediately went to Amazon and played the first episode of GORTIMER GIBBON’S LIFE ON NORMAL STREET. I was born in ’86, so I’m a 90’s kid. My childhood was filled with watching shows like EERIE, INDIANA, GOOSEBUMPS, and ARE YOU AFRAID OF THE DARK? So the idea of this Gortimer show seemed right up my alley as far as watching something that reminds me of my childhood. It’s a really well made show for a children’s program and smarter than other shows promoted for kids without ever feeling like it’s trying too hard that the parents respect the show and the kids aren’t interested. Besides those 90’s supernatural shows that you mentioned in the podcast, Gortimer also reminds me of PUSHING DAISIES. It’s the music of the show and the neighborhood that makes it feel as if it’s a fairy tale, which is the same feeling I had while watching the criminally underrated PUSHING DAISIES. I’ve only watched the first two episodes, but I can see it being a guilty pleasure for me. At the end of the day, isn’t the sign of a quality kids show is that it can appeal to adults too?

        I can’t say I’ve seen any of Lars Von Trier’s films. I have heard of MELANCHOLIA, NYMPHOMANIC VOL. 1 AND 2, and I have watched the first ten minutes of ANTICHRIST. Out of the three you mentioned, DEAR WENDY looked the most interesting to me. I’m going to give that one a watch. The length of DOGVILLE concerns me a bit since it’s three hours, but I do really like it’s cast. If nothing else, I’ll pop that movie in and see if it can hold my attention. As for DANCER in the DARK, the musical aspect does deter me a bit. If I do end up liking DEAR WENDY and DOGVILLE, I’ll give DANCER in the DARK a chance. I’ll post back here after I watch DEAR WENDY with my verdict.

        No worries about the wonky schedule thanks to your time in Colombia. It just gave me time to go back and listen to the older podcasts. Looking forward to talking about THE GUEST. I watched that for preparation for IT FOLLOWS, although, looking back, I don’t think there’s any links between the two films other than they both star Maika Monroe. As soon as I finished THE GUEST, I went on a message board I post on and sung it’s praises and tried to get people to see it. Not sure if anyone did end up seeing it though. Ha. I need to watch HERE COMES THE DEVIL. I’ve had my eye on the movie for awhile now, so this is a good chance to finally get around and watching it. IIRC, Jay blasted the movie in a review over at HMP at some point. However, it’s Jay of the Dead, so I’ll probably end up loving it.

        This isn’t MSC related, but thanks to your huge praises for A HAUNTING on HMP #2, I ended up getting a copy of THE HOUSE ON HILL HOUSE novel. Somehow, I ended up skipping over both the movie and the book when I was younger. Instead, I was someone who read HELL HOUSE by Richard Matheson and watched the less than interesting movie version. If Hill House is half as good as HELL HOUSE, I’m going to love it.

        • The only problem with commenting on “really” old episodes is that the “Notify me of follow-up comments” option wasn’t available in the beginning. So, many of us aren’t subscribed to those really early episodes, which is why I never saw your HMP #1 comment… until you just mentioned it now, of course.

      • I finished up watching both DEAR WENDY and DOGVILLE.

        I chose to watch DEAR WENDY first since it seemed like the type of movie that I might have discovered on my own. While I know the two films have a lot of differences, the movie reminded me greatly of BRICK. They both had the running narration from the main character and feature teenage characters in a script that actually calls for adult characters. Even though I suppose the pace is technically slow, it only felt that way because of the minimal music. I got through the movie without ever having to look at the time. The deaths at the end features some awesome effects (IE. Seeing the bullet enter the bone) that made it stand out for me. It’s the type of movie I can see myself watching several more times over the next few years.

        It does make me wonder if draws any influences from the media and their fear mongering ways. Throughout the entire movie, we keep seeing minor characters have phobias with being out in public due to fears of gangs and personal safety. Yet, for the vast majority of the film, we don’t see any potential cause for concern. Where are these residents getting their fear when the justification of it isn’t actually there? It is that much different than the media hitting us over the head with one cause for concern after another until we’re terrified of going out in public and we point fingers at other groups?

        Again, it’s the type of movie I can see myself watching plenty more times. Overall, I’d give it a 80/100. (HAHAHAHAHAHA…get it? I’m hysterical).

        As for DOGVILLE, this was one I had far more reservations about. With it’s plot and the length of the movie, I imagined it was going to be difficult to sit through. Thanks to not looking much up about the movie, as soon as the prologue began and I saw the set and the basic format for the movie, I was blown away. I don’t know if you realized this when you recommended these two movies together, but there’s that clear similarity of being introduced to the small town with an overhead map complete with the mines in a corner. I dug that.

        I imagine the set and the play format played greatly in my enjoyment of DOGVILLE. It just made everything so much more unique and different from other movies I watch. It even made the first awful act of violence against Grace feel less horrible as I was just blown away with how creative of a shot it was. The ultra minimalist play format/set made this great.

        The way the movie’s tone changes around chapter five caused me to feel such hatred towards the entire cast minus Kidman’s character. I don’t know if I’ve seen a movie where I loathed that percentage of the characters as I did here. Part of what made it work so well is the escalation. The first few steps after the tone of the movie changing wasn’t so bad for Grace, but it filled me with great dread. Once they start expecting more, you just know that it’s only going to get worse for Grace. When it came to the revenge portion of the film, I was solidly behind Grace’s character, especially since she spared the dog. The fate of the family with the children was hardcore, but I loved it because of how long they had built up Grace’s suffering that I only wanted her to achieve the ultimate form of revenge.

        I know technically this is an anti-American film, but I never thought much of that since I felt this movie could have taken place in any country. At it’s heart, it’s not a tale of the horrors that can happen in a small little American town, but one of what happens in a group mentality. Is that all that different from the Nazis or other injustices committed in world history? The true horror is not what the individuals did, but what losing your individuality and going along with the crowd can cause you to do. In the end, did Grace make the world a better place with what happened in DOGVILLE? I’d say no because what those residents did is what anyone is capable of doing when they lose themselves. It’s a very bleak commentary on society how everyone is capable of evil, the only sign of prosperity in the area was the construction of a prison, and how the only truly innocent person in the story was the dog.

        DOGVILLE also has a connection to VIC + FLO. While this is true for everyone in the movie, it’s especially true for Grace. She’s surrounded by confinement. Regardless of what she does, she’s going to be in some form of confinement. She doesn’t have any choice. With the posters of her all over the area, she can’t go anywhere without fear of getting caught. She can be confined in Dogville, prison, or in her father’s business. The only choice Grace actually has is which form of confinement that she’ll endure. That’s it. Of course, there’s the period of time when her form of confinement is more literal. Even the set feels like a play on confinement. Without any actual buildings and with the vast open space that comes from being a secluded little town in the mountains, you feel like you have freedom, but then those imaginary walls are there to remind you that no, you do not have freedom. You’re stuck here. You may not be able to see these walls, but they are here. Lastly, even Grace’s relationship with Tom feels like some confinement (Man, I wish I would be paid a dime every time I typed “Confinement” on this website). She sees the relationship as a chance for her to escape, but in actuality, he’s keeping her close solely because he wants to sleep with her. Does Tom actually care about her? No. He may think he does, but he’s a pretentious prick who sees himself in a greater light. The fact that the narrator points out that Tom is a writer, but hasn’t actually written anything yet in the beginning of the movie suggests that.

        Overall, I loved the movie. It was like nothing I had ever seen before and it alone makes me willing to check out a musical starring Bjork. I’d rate it 10/10 and it’s one of the best films I’ve ever seen.

      • Finished up the last of the Von Trier films you recommended. The fact that DANCER IN THE DARK was a musical ended up not being a problem for me due to the songs being so twisted and unusual. I’d be lying if I denied tapping my foot at various points in some of the songs.

        The early going was a bit rough. Due to the shaky camera, I was considering turning it off within the first fifteen minutes, but I endured it. I either got used to that shakiness or they stopped it entirely as I stopped noticing if it was still being done.

        You weren’t lying when you said the movie was devastating. The fact that Selma is such a sweetheart and incapable of hurting a fly makes what happen to her to be so awful and frankly, it pissed me off that she was forced to go through that. In the end, things continue to only progress downward for Selma because she is such a good person.

        The final scene was heartbreaking and while I expected the final moment, it still came suddenly and caused me to be frozen in place for a bit, unable to tear my eyes away from the screen.

        Even though I did enjoy DANCER, I don’t know if it’s something I’d necessarily watch again unlike with DOGVILLE or DEAR WENDY. I’d rate it at a 7 or a 7.5. Rent it, feel completely miserable, and then maybe try to view life a little bit differently. If Selma could still find some happiness in the world with her musical daydreams, maybe the world doesn’t have to be such a bleak and unforgiving place as long as you have your own source of temporary happiness.

        Again, thank-you for the three great recommendations. With that being said, I need to watch some comedies now to cheer myself up after watching such “Upbeat” movies like DOGVILLE and DANCER IN THE DARK in one day.

  7. Not an “indie” Canadian auteur, but after seeing SICARIO I think I’m ready to say Denis Villeneuve is one of the greatest Canadian film directors ever. This guy’s work is deep, dark, depressive, and brilliant.

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