Movie Stream Cast 68: Trophy Kids (2013)

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On episode 068 of Movie Stream Cast, first-time guest John Perkins joins Josh to discuss the documentary Trophy Kids (from sports movie dream team Chris Bell and Peter Berg), which is streaming for a subscription on Netflix, and for a $3.99 digital rental on Amazon Instant Video. John also brings a bevy of televised offerings to the table and Josh tries to recruit another Survivor-watcher. Finally, the two bring you their “Top 3 Sports Docs” lists.


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  1. I’ve had my eye on Trophy Kids for the last couple of weeks whenever I saw it on Netflix. Now was a good time to give it a watch.

    My main criticism is that it felt too long. By the hour and eighteen minute mark, I found myself checking to see how much longer it was. Ultimately, it’s the tennis twins segments that dragged on. It was the least interesting story in the doc and I’m not even sure of the purpose of it. Jamie is clearly not a loudmouth parent like the others, but her wackyness also didn’t make her seem like she was doing things the perfect way either. Neither kid showed much passion or personality. By the end of the movie, I didn’t feel as if we saw a single real emotion from either twin, unlike every other kid in the movie. The movie would have told the same story without the twins and would have also went by with a better pace. For me, every time the twins and Jamie came on the screen, it was akin to a commercial break.

    Ian’s dad was the most interesting of the parents due to his transformation. Early on, it appears as if he’s handling it perfectly. He’s doing everything in his power to help Ian out with the training, but then he’s purposely pulling back and not becoming a loudmouth like Derek’s dad. Once Derek’s dad begins to disappear, that’s when Ian’s dad began to change. It was actually kind of funny how there was a point where Ian’s dad began acting just like Derek’s dad. There is some potential shadiness for Ian’s dad with the question on whether or not he’s physically abusive towards Ian. If there is one admirable trait about Ian’s dad, it’s that he’s self aware. He realizes that he has a problem, which is why he tried so hard to keep it calm early on before he lost control.

    I’m left wondering about Amari’s dad. Is he a full on jerk and bully or is it just the pressures of trying to make your kid a star with a limited budget that is causing him to have zero patience? Amari would likely be far better off if her dad was self aware like Ian’s dad. It is a nice dynamic between the parents in this doc and Amari’s personal trainer, Brian. Brian seemed so out of place by keeping a calm scene for the kid while interacting with Amari to get Amari to point out her mistakes rather than just telling her.

    Justus’ dad was the “Star” of the movie. A lot of the parents were loudmouths and unlikable at times, but Justus’ dad was an asshole bully. The car scene (both of them really) were hard to watch with the second one being so much worse due to a greater intensity and the fact that Justus’ dad saw the look in Justus’ face. In the first car scene, you could at least claim Justus’ dad wasn’t aware of the effect he was having on his son. The second scene killed that delusion. The longer we saw this story played out, the clearer it became that either Justus’ dad was going to ruin the relationship for the future or he’s just going to drive his poor kid to suicide or something to escape his bully of a dad. It’s depressing to watch particularity how the dad’s face would lit up when he was around the baby, showing so much love that he never showed towards Justus.

    If there’s a moral to this movie, it’s to make sure you tell your kids that you love them. You get so wrapped up into sports or whatever that you forget about some of these really simple things you should be doing as well. It’s why Derek’s story ended on such a high note.

    It’s twisted, but I find these sort of docs about poorly treated kids to be so fascinating to watch.

    • As usual, Sal, your reviews are better than mine. Why aren’t you writing with Dave at DVDinfatuation?

      I agree with most of your takes here. I never felt as though the film was dragging, however.

      The “commercial break” comment was interesting and I mostly agree. I thought the mom added a few inspired moments to the film. As the movie played out, I was interested bc I thought something might ACTUALLY HAPPEN in that storyline. I really thought those kids were going to snap. It’s definitely more disappointing, looking back, and the commercial comparison makes perfect sense.

      My biggest complaint, other than the photography, was not getting interviews with the kids. We get a couple moments from Justus–and maybe those illustrate how much less effective it is to talk to the kids because his interviews weren’t great–but I especially wanted more from Derek and the tennis kids.

      • Having said that, I’m sure there are all kinds of moral and legal quandaries about using the children to speak against their parents. The parents do enough to hang themselves. You don’t need to pile-on, which would have felt very personal and may have incited lawsuits. The parents can’t argue with their own actions, but they would probably object to that sort of use of their children. I can also respect this approach as an artistic choice. It would have just been interesting.

      • For the kids:

        Derek – I can’t imagine he would have said much of interest. His dad didn’t seem like a bad guy, just way too over enthusiastic.

        Ian – While he didn’t say a lot, I felt like we got the gist of his person. I’m sure if we would have heard from him more, it would have been just exactly what his dad was saying in other segments. At this point in his life, Ian didn’t seem capable of emitting his true feelings, whether it’s because he’s too afraid of his dad or his failure to understand what’s truly happening. Unlike with Derek, Ian didn’t seem like that stand out of a basketball player.

        Amari – Her age makes it difficult to get her to be honest about her feelings regarding her dad, but I don’t imagine any interview segments with her would reveal anything new. She seems a lot like Derek in that she’s someone with some legitimate talent, but her dad does not bring the best out of her. Out of all of the parents, it’s Amari’s dad that I hope watches this and realizes that something needs to change. If he just chills out some, it could relax Amari enough that she plays better, which will naturally alleviate his stress so that he wouldn’t even have much to lash out at anymore.

        Justus – The one kid where we got enough one-on-one time with to get his true feelings. The news of him moving back home with his mom is enough to show how he felt. I do wonder if his dad was slightly (And I mean very slightly) correct about what an easy ride he has at his mom’s. It seemed like he was completely free to do whatever he wished there, where he’d be better with a balance of the two. Just like with Ian, I’m not sure if we’re supposed to believe that Justus was truly a stand out or not.

        The twins – These are the two we really needed some interview time with. By the end of the movie, I had no idea if the twins even liked tennis or not. They never seemed happy or unhappy.

        I’m torn on why the director even felt the need to keep the twins in the movie. The story never changed, there wasn’t any drama, it wasn’t a textbook example of how you should do things, ect. I wonder if it’s possible if the director spent all of this time with Jamie and the twins, waiting for something to happen, and eventually just ran out of time and had to wrap things up since the other stories were finishing up. I imagine it must be difficult trying to capture five different stories around the same time, without knowing when all of the stories will see a logical ending.

        Once the movie was over, the twins should have been on the cutting room floor or just extras on the DVD/Blu-Ray.

        • I thought the tennis twins were more interesting than deleted scenes, but they could have just been part of a montage introduction about these kinds of parents. We didn’t need the “conclusion” to their story.

          • Dammit, Sal. Don’t tell me how to make a documentary! haha

            I’m just saying, you could have an introduction, as is often the case in “issue” documentaries, with a bunch examples that illustrate the point. We could have included up to five more bad parents in an intro, use them in the way the mom is used in the the trailer for the film, and then focus in on our main characters. That’s all I’m saying. She had some interesting nuggets. The “covenant” with God was gold. The exercises on the beach were gold. The questioning if it was really just about her was gold. All unique things we didn’t get from the other parents. That could all be in a montage over the first 3 minutes and then bye, bye.

            • “Dammit, Sal. Don’t tell me how to make a documentary!”

              I’ve seen like…ten whole documentaries. I think I know more than you do.


              In the layout that you described, it works out fine. That makes far more sense than what I thought you originally meant of an opening with all of the parents in this film and Jamie. Include Jamie with several other…”Interesting” parents in an opening montage before moving on to the main event parents would have been a better use of Jamie and the twins.

            • I’m just messing with you.

              Yeah, it’s a common doc format.

              I was just trying to envision a way to keep those interesting kernels from that story without slowing everything else down.

    • Specifically with parents of athletes? In that regard, there’s not much I can really contribute. By the time the athletes become professionals they are (for the most part) adults, so there’s really minimal interaction with parents. In my time with the team there were really only two players whose parents really got into the mix.

      The first was Brandon Dubinsky’s father. Dubie was still really young when he played for us and his father was definitely very involved. Not really in a bad way, though. Just around, a lot. I heard murmurings that he would sometimes complain to management and the coaches about his son’s playing time, but I can’t say I ever heard any of it directly.

      The other instance of parent involvement was with Chris Kreider. A few years after we drafted Kreids is when the team really took off. We went from years of being a fringe-playoff team to being one of the best in the league and a legitimate Cup contender. Kreider had been playing college hockey at BC, but we were really eager to get him signed hoping he would give us a little offensive boost in the playoffs. He (and his parents) pushed back on that because they really wanted him to graduate college, which is actually sort of the opposite of crazy, abusive parents trying to get their kids INTO pro sports. In the end, he fast-tracked his studies and took summer courses so he could graduate in three years, and signed with us in time to join our 2011-12 playoff run. He ended up doing surprisingly well in those playoffs, but we ended up losing to the Devils in the Conference Finals. I can still vividly remember the train ride home from Newark back to Penn Station after the game six clincher – in classic Scot Pollard fashion, I may have dumped over a trash can or two on my way to the Newark station.

      For the most part, though, the athletes I’ve come into contact with are pretty self-motivated and committed to the sport. There are the occasional freaks of nature who are just so naturally gifted that they don’t have to really put in the effort, but those birds are rare.

      I heard that life in junior hockey is pretty hardcore. Parents ship their children off to essentially train and play hockey 24/7, with studies and everything else really taking a back seat. I never had any direct contact with junior hockey, though, so can’t really speak to that.

      • This is what I was asking, but I was also curious about the backstories of the players, not just when they were with you.

        Interesting stuff here. Thanks for sharing these stories, Machine.

        Also curious what you thought of the films on the sports docs lists, if you’ve seen them.

        • Unfortunately, I’m not entirely familiar with their specific backstories because that’s not something that ever really came up in conversation. I can say that most of them came from junior hockey or Europe (which has a similar junior hockey system), so they left their families when they were very young to completely immerse themselves into the sport.

          A lot of the former players who still worked with the team and had teenaged or younger children playing hockey (or other sports) always seemed much more laid back than what (it seems) is depicted in Trophy Kids.

          This is just my experience, though, having contact with a concentrated group of players in hockey.

          As for sports docs, Senna is the best in my book, hands down. I think it’s easily one of the strongest documentaries I’ve ever seen, period. Plus, I’m a huge F1 nut – since leaving hockey, Formula 1 is the only sport I really follow closely – so there’s a certain bias there. I’m also a fan of ESPN Films: 30 for 30 I Hate Christian Laettner and HBO’s 24/7 Flyers/Rangers: Road to the NHL Winter Classic. (I’ll admit to a certain bias for the 24/7 Flyers/Rangers having been directly involved, but I still think it’s an objectively good watch)

  2. Do you think the doc would have worked out better as a mini-series? Each episode featuring one parent and their kid(s). The episode with Jamie and the twins wouldn’t be as interesting, but it would show a very different style and it wouldn’t feel as if it was just a series of commercial breaks. It’d benefit Derek’s story more since he and his dad wouldn’t disappear in the second half. In the context of a thirty minute episode, you can show some good growth with Derek’s dad being a loudmouth, being banned from the games, and then end the episode with his dad realizing that some things are more important than the game and he loves Derek.

    • i definitely think this could work as a series of shorter, but potentially more in-depth, episodes. i agree that the twins didn’t add much to the documentary. it seemed as though their story was being set up for some big payoff, but nothing really happened. i don’t think the doc would be any less without their story in it, to be honest. it might have also let the filmmakers dive deeper into the more interesting stories.

    • I’m not an HBO guy, but I think “State of Play” the original 50 min airing of this was a mini-series. I’m just not sure if this film was broken up into all of those pieces or if this was only one of several short films.

      While I think you could have milked a mini-series of half hour episodes out of these characters, it may have become a little tiresome. I felt like I got the perfect amount of each story (minus the tennis kids, which either needed more or less) to feel satisfied.

      But, yeah, it would definitely work.

          • He seems like a better person than the edit he was given.

            Speaking of which, did anyone else notice the softer side of Jason that CBS was showing last night?

            • There were moments where he seemed much more genuine and much less dickish – congratulating Michele while she was eating after the reward challenge, praising Aubry for a hell of an effort after immunity, praising her again at TC (which, of course, was intended as slightly veiled foreshadowing for how he was voting), and then when he was in the voting booth. Also, to be honest, the way he handled Tai’s betrayal was much more mature and measured than what we’ve seen from him so far.

              Whether it was the edit or just an evolution of his game, I definitely saw him as a much more likable character this week.

    • I love it when you call me baby, Josh! 😉

      Alright, that was cool. I must admit, I’m sold. It was a really fun listen and quite informative as well. I’ll be a regular listener from now on.

      I agree, Dino. That was an excellent Ponderosa. That Scott. He’s not such a bad guy after all.

      And what about Tai? He royally screwed himself! What a mess.

      • Yeah, I’d like to hear an argument for that being a good move for Tai. I can’t see it working out well for him in any way. It definitely made for great TV and was a popular move among fans, but really destroyed his game.

        In the end, it was an emotionally motivated move rather than one made on sound reasoning or strategy. And it seems like those never work out. Good on Aubry for preying upon the weak in a way that still made her look good.

            • Michele is your second place finisher who loses to either Aubry or or Cydney in the final two. I’m calling it. Probably gets zero votes because she’s considered weak and a floater.

              Having said that, I’m scared to change my overall pick from Jason in The Tribe fantasy league because my points drop so much lower at this point. If I was going to pick a winner right now, it’s Aubry.

        • The best argument I’ve heard for Tai’s move came from Shirin (Survivor: World’s Apart / Second Chance) who noted that if Tai had indeed given Scot his idol, Tai would have gone home. See, the 4 votes on Scot are now void. Then, it is 2 against 2 between Tai and Aubry. so, we revote. Those who voted for Scot don’t need to split the vote anymore and all of the votes go to Tai. He’s out.

          Shirin didn’t think Tai was aware of this when he made his move and I don’t think so either. He was just following his beautiful little heart, but it is the one argument I see that makes sense.

          Otherwise, between now having bumped himself up as an even BIGGER jury threat because he’s made a big move in the game against his alliance, it’s also know that he has an idol AND an advantage (which, judging by Scot’s Ponderosa, the tribe things is another idol). Tai has got to be the number one target.

          I think the fact that he does have those advantages could take him further, but I don’t think anyone is dumb enough to CHOOSE to sit next to him in the finals. Aubry, despite liking him, is WAY too smart for that.

          But, despite being the most obvious target, Tai could stick around if the others decide it will just be easier to take out those they can’t trust in Julia and Jason first before turning on themselves. That rarely happens, but it’s not a bad play.

          The problem is, the longer they let Tai go in the game without targeting him, the more powerful his advantages become.

          He’s also a legitimate threat to go on an immunity run.

          So, while the move was terrible game play, he might be okay for awhile, if he plays well. We just haven’t seen that from him yet.

          • “The best argument I’ve heard for Tai’s move came from Shirin (Survivor: World’s Apart / Second Chance) who noted that if Tai had indeed given Scot his idol, Tai would have gone home. See, the 4 votes on Scot are now void. Then, it is 2 against 2 between Tai and Aubry. so, we revote. Those who voted for Scot don’t need to split the vote anymore and all of the votes go to Tai. He’s out.

            Shirin didn’t think Tai was aware of this when he made his move and I don’t think so either. He was just following his beautiful little heart, but it is the one argument I see that makes sense.”

            I haven’t listened to the episode 10 recap with Shirin yet, but it sounds like she missed the point. Tai actually voted for Scot, which means he made his decision to blindside him before tribal. His big move wasn’t holding onto the idol when it was revealed Scot was voted out; the move was made before tribal, when he decided to trust Aubry’s guarantee of “3 votes” to go along with his vote to blindside Scot. He knew Scot wouldn’t play Jason’s idol before the vote, and Aubry had a good idea that Julia and Michele were voting Tai to try and flush out his idol.

            It made for great TV, but the decision to blindside Scot wasn’t made by Tai when he held onto his idol at tribal – it was made well before when he decided to go along with Aubry’s plan.

            • I see that and Shirin did get that too. I defintely think its part of it, but whether or not he would go through with that plan is always an unknown until it happens.

              And it still makes Tai’s holding onto the idol a stronger move in hindsight, maybe more so in terms of the idol flush. And I think the players will be thinking of it in those terms because they’ll be focused on where those votes were going.

              Dino- I would skip the Shirin recap (and any with a player from a season you haven’t seen) because they spoil elements of both her seasons and they are two of my very favorite.


        Tai might actually be in a better place now. For starters, we got the first tease that Jason and Scot were plotting to get rid of Tai before the end because they knew they couldn’t beat him. Tai could now be in a position where he can find an alliance to make it to the end. The other positive aspect is that for seemingly the first time this season, Tai did something big. Tai may be a nice guy and by now one of the more memorable players in Survivor history, but his game play either sucked or wasn’t there. Now if he makes it to the final tribal council, he has a big moment to state as something he accomplished. Getting splitting up the strongest two player alliance, keeping his own idol, and getting rid of Jason’s idol made for one very successful night.

        • What alliance would that be? Aubry needed Tai to get rid of Scott and now that he’s gone, Jason is no longer a threat so if she’s as smart as she’s shown these last few episodes, her next movie is either Tai or Julia. Aubry needs to get rid of Tai right now as he’s the biggest threat and with her being the head of the alliance, Tai is pretty much just a target. He’s definitely fighting an uphill battle because everyone knows that if he makes it to the end, he’ll easily win. Jason, Julia, and Aubry know this and those are the strongest players right now IMHO.

          • I do think Aubry could stand to keep Tai for awhile as a shield. He’ll be hard to get out right away due to his challenge strength and advantages. He’s a vote and an easy target. No way she takes him to the end, though.

          • Yep.

            My gut feeling right now is that Tai is on the chopping block next week, and Julia ends up going home as an idol victim. Then Tai is gone the week after, leaving us with Jason, Aubry, Michele, Cydney and Joe as final 5.

            Or am I just trying to throw you all off the scent?…

        • “splitting up the strongest two player alliance, keeping his own idol, and getting rid of Jason’s idol made for one very successful night.”

          I’ll agree that, when seen in isolation like this, it appears to be a good move. But, he’s now made himself the single largest threat remaining in the game and is without any strong alliances. He holds the last remaining idol plus that advantage (which, based on Scot’s Ponderosa video, some may think is another idol), and is a jury threat because of his likable nature. Without any strong, established alliances, Tai has made himself the #1 target with virtually no protection. His only remaining shield are the idol and extra vote, both of which could easily be misused.

          On the other hand, had he used his idol to make a super idol and save Scot (and not have voted for Scot in the first place, of course) then he would now be perceived as less of a threat, would have solidified his alliance with Jason and Scot (for at least the next few tribals), and would have eliminated one of the stronger competitors in Aubry instead of the ultimate jury goat in Scot.

          Of course, we’ll have to see how it all plays out. I guess it’s possible that Aubry (and maybe Cydney and/or Michele) form a strong alliance with Tai now after his big move, and they move forward together. I just don’t see things playing out that way, though… at least not based on what has happened so far. My gut tells me that Aubry would rather take players like Michele, Jason and Joe with her to the finale.

          Unless there’s a medevac (didn’t Jeff tease 3 medevacs before the season started?), I think we’ll see Tai leave sometime in the next two weeks.

          • I agree with Dino the most out of everyone, Just sayin’ … and yes, we’re getting another medi-vac. I think Aubry’s an option due to her infection and a few strangely placed lines by Debbie in that episode. I also think Joe is an obvious medi-vac. Of course there’s his age, but whatever happened to his massive head wound?

        • I mean, I think you’re right about what your saying, Sal, about Tai as a viable winner, but I think all of those factors (plus his own ineptitude) is why he’ll be voted out before the end.

          • Well, technically everyone’s a viable winner, but I don’t think Tai is in a better place at all. He just went from an uncomfortable but safe position to a comfortable (?) but totally unsafe position.

            • When I said “viable” I meant in terms of garnering jury votes. Yes, he’s likable and that’s always a threat, but not enough to win the game unless he’s sitting next to Scot or Jason. Even then… Neal and Nick aren’t voting for likable. They’re voting for people making moves and he made a big one (even if it seemed stupid) by turning against the perceived bullies. before that, I think he was seen as someone being carried along by an evil alliance and so probably not a viable winner against most of the people left in the game.

            • Ultimately, I don’t think Tai is a realistic winner candidate. Same with Jason and Joe. Right now, I could see Aubry, Cydney, Julia, or, yes, Michele winning.

            • Sorry but I just don’t get the love for Michele, bro. This next claim might be a spoiler for you, Dino, so proceed with caution. I see Michele as a total Natalie White. For those of you who have seen that particular season, you know what I’m talking about.

            • Other than Joe, Michele is the only survivor who has yet to be a target, or even receive a vote. The difference between her and Joe is that the edit has made a point to show that she has an understanding of the game and what’s going on, whereas Joe is just there. If anything, the edit has shown that Joe is blindly loyal to a fault.

              Strategically, I think she’s playing a pretty savvy game right now. She’s been able to put herself in solid footing with the majority by voting with them (this week being an exception), while keeping “in touch” with the other side by proxy through her relationship with Julia. In other words, she’s in good with everyone but still flying under the radar by not being a leader.

              That’s how I see her game right now. She isn’t getting much air time because, frankly, she seems like a pretty boring individual. In a season with some pretty solid characters, like Jason, Aubry, Tai, Scot, Nick, Cydney, etc, that means less air time for Michele. And, if you’ve watched any of her confessionals that didn’t air, she’s not actually very well-spoken. Ain’t no one got (air) time for that.

              Still, I think she’s playing a smart, low-key game – the same type of game she said she would in the first episode of the season. She’s a bartender. What she does well is listen to people speak, and then figure out how to relate to them. It’s not flashy, but seems to have been effective so far.

            • See, I can’t get behind that type of gameplay because there’s no way for me to know for certain that she’s in fact playing the game or if she’s just coasting. I’m aware that we don’t get to see everything and the points you made about her gameplay certainly make sense, but it’s not proof enough for me. So, like Joe, she irritates me because she seems to just be there. But this is just what I perceive and it doesn’t mean it’s what’s really happening… or does it?

            • I guess we won’t know for sure until it’s over. Either way, I would be shocked if she isn’t at least in the finale – she’s either playing a savvy game that gets her there, or is coasting and carried in as a goat.

            • Juan, I think that’s actually a slight to Natalie White. Michele’s hardly doing a thing. I see Julia more as a Natalie White. She’s at least manipulating the game.

      • One more thing to check out each week, Juan, are the exit interviews. You should check out at least ONE of them, but here are my favorite four. My two favorites are written, but the audio is easier. Take your pick.


        Josh Wigler for Parade (best writer)

        Gordon Holmes for Xfinity (fun word association game)


        Rob Cesternino’s exit interview for RHAP (best podcaster)

        Survivor Fans Podcast (a few different questions that nobody else asks, which can be interesting)

        • Nice. I’ll check them out. I’ll probably end up picking one of each kind.

          I have to say, ever since I got into podcasts, my music listening levels have gone down quite drastically. Is it the same with everyone else?

  3. ‘Well, you can wish in one hand, and crap in the other, and see which one fills up first, right?”

    — Scot Pollard

  4. Juan asked on Twitter:

    “Do you think the editors have a clear idea of who they want to be a villain and a hero prior to editing or do they casually arrive at that conclusion while editing the show?”

    To answer your Survivor villain question, Juan, they cast archetypes, so they have intended to cast a certain number of villains. Sometimes it changes when the game actually starts. Some people don’t meet expectations. Some people deliver something different than the archetype they were cast as. I don’t know if you’ve seen Malcolm. He was a character cast as villain that was acting villainous, but he also ended up being very charming and when he became an underdog in the game, they decided to give him a hero edit in post.

    This was going to be in my Survivor casting packet for Dino and others (still in the works), but I’ll share this significant part here as a primer:

    A friend of RHAP, Angie Caunce ( @AngieCaunce on Twitter), identified 26 casting archetypes for the show. Pretty much everyone ever cast on the show fits into one of these archetypes ( maybe Debbie is an exception, haha ). This benefits you in the casting process because you can ascertain 3 important things:

    1. Which of these you really are and what your chances of winning are

    2. What type you might be able to fill for them and more perfectly fit into that mold.

    3. What type you’ve been cast as and what types are your biggest threats based on your archetype.

    Each of these types has varied levels of success in the game. That’s not to say that you can’t rise above the others in your type … it’s just the stats so far. So you can understand the strengths and the weaknesses of your type and know what you need to watch out for.

    I’d recommend listening to the podcast:

    But here are her actual charts:

    • This isn’t necessarily the most fun listen (and that goes for a lot of my Survivor play and casting packet), but if you’re smart enough to decode it, it’s invaluable information.

    • Josh, this is gold. Thanks for putting this together… I hope you’re at least having fun with it.

      Can’t wait to listen to this RHAP and read your casting packet.

      • It could be. If Joe ends up being medevac, that is the type of moment that would purposely be included in an episode. At the same time, it’s nearly 30 days, Joe’s an older castaway, and he’s never been that strong of a physical player. So I could just as easily see it as meaning nothing.

    • Without question, this was the best episode thus far for Who, Exactly. If she keeps doing this every week until the end, Who, Exactly being at the final tribal council won’t be as lame as it could have been.

  5. Question for the Survivor fans: if you were a contestant on the show, where would your dream location be? Or, is there a location they haven’t done yet where you’d like to see them shoot?


    • I think the producers love water challenges and bikinis too much to ever really stray too far from the tropical island thing. There are some outliers, like Tocantins, Australia, Guatemala, the Africa seasons and China. Even when they have jungle settings, though, like for “Survivor: Amazon,” they seem to try pretty hard to bring the island vibe.

      Also, it’s generally easier for the contestants to actually, y’know, survive when they’re on an island where fruit and fish can be had without too much trouble. And probably the most important consideration of all is average temperature: It’s hard to make people live outdoors on their own with only rudimentary shelter and without assistance if you can’t rely on a generally warm temperature.

      If I were ever going to be on the show, however, and I could pick the location, my first choice would probably be to go somewhere that had a lush evergreen forest with mountain rivers and streams. Not sure where. Maybe “Survivor: Sierra Nevada,” or “Survivor: Canadian Rockies.” If you timed it right, you could be there when the temperatures are generally survivable. It would also be fun to go somewhere that enabled the usual format but offered different-than-the-norm survival challenges. Like Lake Baikal in Siberia, or Lake Titicaca in Peru (both have numerous islands). They’d have to make a lot of allowances for temperature, especially if they wanted to have water challenges (you’d probably have to have everyone wear wetsuits to stay warm). At Lake Titicaca, the extreme elevation (by contrast, at least, with what most people are used to) would add an interesting wrinkle.

      • Yeah, I would, too. But I think Cody is right – they would never do a season where the gals can’t be in bikinis and the hunks can’t wear their speedos.

      • Agreed. Other countries have done cold locations on their version of Survivor. I’d be so down for Survivor: Alaska. Shoot it in the Spring in Alaska so it’s still like 20 below, but survivable compared to winter. And great Northern Lights!

        They could actually do it in the Summer in Alaska too, but they’d be eaten alive by mosquitos (if not bears). The coolest part about that would be the midnight sun. It never gets dark. So you have to decide when to sleep and it makes looking for an idol at night extremely easy if the others are sleeping. Could get insane.

    • They were going to do one in the Middle East for Season 4, but then September 11th happened. I’d still like to see that. Morocco or something would even be cool, if they went Northern Africa.

      I think India is a no-brainer. Indonesia as well.

      I love Cody’s idea for Survivor: Lake Titicaca.

      And, having been to Colombia, they should really shoot one there. It’s crazy that they haven’t. The local version of Survivor in Colombia is terrible, but the locations are gorgeous. It should be Survivor: Tayrona … boom! That would be great.

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